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Amazing Spider-Man thoughts

I'm so glad I got to see the movie on opening day (although I wasn't lucky enough to attend screeners like SOME OF YOU). I didn't really want to be any more biased toward it than I already had been.

In short:
I really liked it!

It is not unproblematic, but when is a superhero movie ever unproblematic, even The Avengers. So don't look to me for well-thought-out meta analysis on what they did right and wrong vis-a-vis the comics or serious issues. I'm not fannishly built that way - I'm looking forward to my friends who ARE built that way to make those posts, to which I will probably respond oh-so-thoughtfully: 'THIS.'

Before my big list of likes/dislikes, let me describe my opinion process:

Reboot? WHY. I may boycott this --> Hmm, Spectacular Spider-Man (the toon) is starting to sell me on Peter/Gwen coming first, and it IS canon --> I write two Peter/Gwen SSM fics and I can multi-ship Peter with either Gwen or MJ --> Emma Stone is in it? As GWEN, not MJ? Her Easy A character is such an MJ, but okay --> After seeing the Social Network, I can see Andrew Garfield's appeal --> COMIC-CON HAPPENS AND ANDREW GARFIELD STEALS MY HEART --> Tumblr gifsets and video clips make me fall for Emma/Andrew --> People at advance screenings being very positive --> Finding out from an f-lister about how the secret!ID plot is handled --> I have to see this opening day!

Specific likes:

1) Andrew Garfield. Charming, believable. He sold me on the brainy loner. His Peter is not really nerdy, he's based more on the Ultimate Spider-Man (comic)/Spectacular Spider-Man (toon) mold. You believe his obsessiveness and his reasons for what he does.

2) Emma Stone. Her Gwen is caring, smart (very!), realistically vulnerable. A couple of times I was unhappy about the let-me-protect-you vibe both Peter and George Stacy gave off, but her expressions/set of her shoulders getting into the squad car and from under the umbrella seemed to me as if she were saying: 'I'll do it, I understand it, but I don't like it, shame on you.' EDIT: I did find a good piece of meta about Gwen here which is good at explaining the character as presented in this film, good and bad.

3) Humor. There's a lot of it. Peter's discovering his powers scenes were really fun - the accidental subway brawl especially. I like that they spent so much time on Peter not knowing his strength and actually getting in trouble for it.

4) Identity reveal. Peter's secret is revealed first, by Peter's choice and early in the film, to Gwen. He also (correct me if I'm wrong), willingly reveals himself to George Stacy, though not immediately. Connors discovers the truth as well, though a little plot-device-y, it fit canon enough to satisfy.

5) Enough canon to make me happy. Smart Peter, smart Gwen, mechanical shooters [Extra Protection]Stacy's death on a rooftop, Connors staying alive and remorseful, Flash is a Spidey fan!

6) Lots of plot threads hanging loose: [Extra Double Protection]Ben's killer uncaught, his parents' death/secret mostly unsolved, the credits teaser with Connors in jail - I assume it was Osborn? It was dark, I need to see it again - 'Have you told him?' I loved that we saw no Osborns the whole film, just Oscorp and references to them.

7) No angsty Peter/Gwen ending! I thought at first we'd have the same 'I can't be with you' of the Raimi films, but NOANDTHANKGOD.

A few dislikes:

1) The throwing Gwen out a window and catching her with a web. To me, that was either blatant canon-flouting, handwaving (which I can admit to doing sometimes), or deliberate ignoring.

2) Ben's death - I understand why they changed it, but... I dunno. The wrestler reference to give him the idea for the mask didn't QUITE make up for it.

3) No "with great power comes great responsibility" even once? *sadface*

What were your thoughts? Link me to your reviews/meta/posts. I didn't come out of the film with any decent plot bunnies, but you may be seeing fic from me this summer...


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Jul. 4th, 2012 04:10 pm (UTC)
I thought for sure we'd heard the responsibility line at the end of the movie when he was listening to the message from Uncle Ben on his phone. That would've been perfect timing for it, imho.

And the non-angsty Peter/Gwen ending, FTW!!!

Being that I'm not exactly a fan of the comic books/original canon/storyline, I have no idea what is more accurate, though I was pretty sure MJ died at the hand of Green Goblin (right?), and because I thought that Gwen came later, long after high school, it was interesting they skipped right over the MJ/Goblin storyline. It made sense, though, since that was done (and overdone) in the other 3 movies, and this one needed something fresh.

I LOVED Denis Leary as Capt. Stacy!! He was awesome, right to the end. LOVED him.

And Sally Field! Aunt May SO knows who Peter is. :D

My favorite parts:

- When Peter threw Gwen out the window (not knowing canon, whatever bothered you about it didn't bother me, lol), it was sweet and cute. ♥

- Peter asking (and really NOT asking with the right words) Gwen out -- TOO FUNNY!

- Gwen's excuse to dad when Peter was in her room, with the cramps and the moodiness and Leary's responding grimaces. LMAO!

- All the discovery time of his powers, breaking the front door, the train "fight," etc.

The only thing I can think of that I didn't really like that made me roll my eyes was the way Peter revealed who he was to Gwen, using the web to spin her into his arms. *groan* So cheesy.

We were thinking the same you are about the guy at the end. I love that they're leaving several plot points open for a sequel!!

And yay! I can't wait to read fic from you!! :D
Jul. 4th, 2012 04:22 pm (UTC)
As far as Gwen, it's actually the opposite! The Raimi movies were not original comics canon order. Gwen is his first love - the first girl to really fall for him. She was a fellow science student in college. Her father was a Spidey-supporter (Gordon-esque) until his death on a rooftop while Spidey was stopping a crime (not the Lizard). George admitted he knew Peter was Spider-Man as he died, and wanted him to take care of her. Then after the Green Goblin discovered Peter's secret, he threw her off a bridge in front of Spidey. He tried to save her with a web catching her foot, and it breaks her neck. She never knew about Peter, although he had been trying to work up the courage to tell her. The internship with Connors featured heavily in the Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon.

I'm a HUGE George Stacy fan, and even though his death is canon, I wish it had waited until another movie. A Spider-Man/Stacy working together movie plot would have thrilled me. And yes, Sally Field was great, really all the adult actors.

The awkward dialogue stuff! So great! I want Tumblr gifsets of ALL of it. Must find a decent screener to use if no one else does it.

I actually LOVED the web spin/kiss. I'm a HUGE sucker for the use of webbing in the romance. :D:D:D
(no subject) - oldromantic - Jul. 4th, 2012 04:36 pm (UTC) - Expand
Jul. 4th, 2012 06:16 pm (UTC)
I'm so glad you liked it! I know it was important to you that you did! The first review from someone on my flist about this movie was that they didn't like it, so I really hoped that person was the minority and everyone else liked it (which seems to be the case).

Also, was I the secret flister? LOL.

I'm going to be super eloquent to your post and just say a giant THIS :D
Jul. 4th, 2012 06:31 pm (UTC)
I wouldn't totally count on me to be the gauge of fannish opinion, yet. I famously enjoyed Spider-Man 3 (and still defend it).

YES, you were, but I didn't want to namecheck you without permission? :D I had actually asked another person, who refused for my own good, but I admitted to him later that someone else told me anyway, and he laughed. (I'm predictable).

(no subject) - artic_fox - Jul. 4th, 2012 07:17 pm (UTC) - Expand
Jul. 5th, 2012 01:27 am (UTC)
I agree with everything you said. It was up and down for me, but mostly up.

Here's my post: Here

Edited at 2012-07-05 01:28 am (UTC)
Jul. 5th, 2012 01:30 am (UTC)
Heading over!
Jul. 5th, 2012 03:02 am (UTC)
What hurts my head is that the villain is why people don't want to see it.

Why? Who invents random villains in a comic movie, especially for such a beloved franchise?


I mistakenly thought it was reptile aliens like in V and so did some others, but once I saw the movie, I realized it was Lizard.

Gwen Stacey is better than MJ, at least in the movies. I didn't like what they did with MJ and Kirsten Dunst annoyed me.

To me, the waving was romantic, even if it was canon-flaunting. However, it reminded me of Super-Man, which made me question which movie I was watching for a brief second. ;P

(She's not Lois!)

This is minor, but I didn't like that he didn't have a mouthpiece in the beginning. You'd think he would have thought of it on his own.

The Peter we saw didn't seem like the type to hear the infamous quote.

Andrew is a much better Spidey and he himself is a giant Spidey geek, which is why he ultimately got the part.
Jul. 5th, 2012 02:09 pm (UTC)
Are you saying that people online didn't know who the Lizard was and thought it was random? Or you, personally? :D I've been hoping for the Lizard since Raimi #2. Too bad the original actor for Connors didn't get to play it. :(

I like Gwen and MJ equally, just for different reasons. I hope MJ is introduced into this canon, and played similar to the comics and the SSM toon version.

But I loved Garfield in this role. He seems like the perfect post-2000 comics version of Spidey. :)
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Jul. 5th, 2012 09:03 am (UTC)
I really like it too! (and sorry for hiding in the woodwork for such a long time!) My initial reaction to the whole film was a bit like yours - "why are they doing a reboot, I'm pretty sure it will be terrible" kind of thoughts - so I didn't have particularly high expectations. But then the early screenings were really enthusiastic about it, so I decided to give it a shot and ended up really enjoying it!

It wasn't without its flaws, like those plot holes you mentioned and Ben's death, but it definitely wasn't as bad as I thought it might be. It will be interesting to go back and watch the Toby Maguire version now, but I was definitely pleasantly surprised with The Amazing Spiderman :).
Jul. 5th, 2012 02:11 pm (UTC)
Oh, it's okay - you post on your LJ more than I do, believe it or not! :D

I'm not sure I'll be able to go back and watch the Raimi movies for a while. I need a bit more space, sort of like with Superman Returns and the Donner films. :)
Jul. 5th, 2012 07:18 pm (UTC)
I have not seen it yet, so I'm gonna avoid the spoilery parts. Glad to see you enjoyed it :D That's good to know. I'm looking forward to seeing it myself *fingers crossed*

Trying to decide if I can take my kid or not...
Jul. 6th, 2012 03:03 am (UTC)
How old is your kid? My 9-year-old watched most of it, just getting scared at the battle scene near the end.
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Jul. 7th, 2012 03:41 am (UTC)
I'm kindling of hoping that in a Spider-Man movie, The Black Cat will show up. Their relationship was really dysfunctional, but she did love him. The rivalry with Gwen and MJ in the 3rd Spider-Man movie was just weak. Black Cat craziness would be entertaining for fans who've only seen the movies or just don't know the entire history.
Jul. 7th, 2012 10:15 pm (UTC)
I worry about them using the Black Cat, mostly for cries of "copycat!" from the Batman fans. I love her a lot, though. :)
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Dec. 19th, 2012 03:41 pm (UTC)
I didn't like it at all. I had so many problems but I can't remember them all now because I saw it months ago and I'm just getting to this entry now. I'm so far behind!
Dec. 20th, 2012 01:54 am (UTC)
It's funny, but as the months go by, I'm liking it more and more! Maybe it's all the fanfic I've read (and the fanfic I've written), but I'm into it. ♥

Probably Andrew Garfield and Emma Stone are the reason, but...
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