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Superman: Doomsday - who has seen it?

I just watched the movie -- and I found it surprising! I think I expected it to be more in line with the rest of the DCAU TV shows, and it really wasn't, apart from character design.

I know I've seen reviews of it on my f-list, but I can't find the entries anymore, since I didn't want to be spoiled. I can't even remember which of you did the posting! If you did a review/post about it, please link me!

My thoughts:

  • Lois and Superman are in a pretty adult relationship, aren't they? Messy bed, walking around in towels and robes, lingering kisses... and all before she knows for sure that he is Clark! I was a little mollified to see that she suspects pretty strongly. But come on, Clark, you were in a relationship with her for 6 months, and she had to shame your Ma into admitting it... after you were dead?? Tsk. At least I know that in the comics they had been engaged and she knew about everything by the time this happened.

  • Speaking of that, how close was the storyline to the original comics story? I have the files, but I've never gotten around to reading them. I probably will dig them out later, but I bow to the experts on my f-list to inform me. For example: the cloning storyline - was that part of the return? Wasn't that Kon-El's origin? Did they borrow that? Is it even related?

  • And wow, it was rather more violent than I expected, as well. No wonder it was direct to video.

  • I did enjoy it, though. And the only complaint I remember from the f-list was that it was short. I liked the length, actually. Maybe if I knew the backstory better, I would have wanted it more filled out.

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babettew54
Sep. 23rd, 2007 12:35 am (UTC)
Hey, Babs, I just watched it too and yes, I pretty much agree with your surprises. I knew they were in a serious relationship, but I didn't know that she 'suspected' he was Clark but didn't say anything, waiting for him to speak up.

I did read "The Death of Superman" comic but not the aftermath, so the cloning was a surprise. I liked that part.

Lex was really demented, wasn't he? He was pretty much obsessed with Superman, so he missed him not being there. Weird.

Clark and his secrets; I too was surprised he didn't tell Martha anything about Lois and their relationship. Bad Clark!

All in all, I thought it was very good.
htbthomas
Sep. 23rd, 2007 12:47 am (UTC)
I thought that Lex was very interesting here -- and it fits very well with the way I've always seen him. He was obsessed with being the one to actually kill Superman, so much that it twisted his view of everything afterward. Glad he wasn't dead at the end.

I need to find out which issues have the aftermath of the death so I can look into that. My Superman comic reading still has gaping holes, I'm afraid.
babettew54
Sep. 23rd, 2007 02:46 am (UTC)
This was taken from an interview from Bruce Timm, the producer. Here's what he said about the script:

"It follows the basic structure of the entire story arc (The Death of Superman, World Without A Superman and The Return of Superman). The first third of the movie pretty much covers up to the actual death of Superman storyline pretty closely, with certain modifications just because of time limits or whatever."
htbthomas
Sep. 23rd, 2007 02:49 am (UTC)
Well, at least I know which issues to sort through. :) That helps a lot, thanks!

(I saw those house_of_el icons earlier tonight - I almost took the Clark in a towel one, but I don't have many icon slots left! That one is the other one I wanted.)
babettew54
Sep. 23rd, 2007 02:55 am (UTC)
You're welcome. I wouldn't mind reading the other two comics also.

I want that towel one too! It's nice. *grins*
bistyboo1974
Sep. 23rd, 2007 01:08 am (UTC)
Still waiting on Netflix to send it to me. :( I had it at the top of my queue, but they went ahead and sent me a few Rome S2 discs instead of Doomsday. Not that I don't thoroughly enjoy Rome, but I did really wanna watch Superman this week, too. *sighs*

If I felt better, I'd pick it up from Target tomorrow...but I just don't know if I can manage it. *sniffles*
htbthomas
Sep. 23rd, 2007 01:22 am (UTC)
I'd have someone bring it over if I knew anyone in your area... *hugs*

I hope you skipped the spoilery thoughts, though! I was happy I avoided spoilers before seeing it.
bistyboo1974
Sep. 23rd, 2007 01:41 am (UTC)
Nope, I scrolled past your spoilery thoughts and comments. ;)
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htbthomas
Sep. 23rd, 2007 02:23 am (UTC)
I liked how Lois' character was written, too! That was definitely one of the best parts.

I knew about the various Superman that came after, but they weren't clones, were they? Must dig up.
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htbthomas
Sep. 23rd, 2007 02:37 am (UTC)
Is the 'Superboy' of that period Kon-El, then? Did Luthor do the cloning during that phase of the storyline? Just trying to match up my scattershot knowledge with all of this...
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liliaeth
Sep. 25th, 2007 07:56 am (UTC)
Luthor definitely had a hand in it, making Kon-El canonically the child of Clark and Lex, and giving way to tons of jokes about Kon-El having two daddies*g*
htbthomas
Sep. 25th, 2007 09:49 am (UTC)
That makes the "Who's your daddy?" line in S:D even more disturbing... ;D

Thanks... I need to get around to reading those arcs!
sydgill
Sep. 23rd, 2007 04:03 am (UTC)
I saw this somewhere but decided not to get it...maybe I'll go get it...I need superman stuff *sighs* I'm cursed with this damn supes heat fic...*grumbles some more*
htbthomas
Sep. 23rd, 2007 12:20 pm (UTC)
Well, I really enjoyed it. If you're unsure, you might want to rent it. But it's got some good Clois in it, way more than I would have expected from an animated film!

I hope the fic doesn't totally wear you out. I have one like that, and I'm finally coming to terms with the fact that it may never get done... :(
sydgill
Sep. 23rd, 2007 05:38 pm (UTC)
OH. Good Clois! Then I'm up for it!! WHOO!!!

Wear me out? Yeah...it might, but I have to do it...maybe today or tonight *sigh* I'm not sure what's holding you back, but for me it's the fact that I just feel like it's so inadequate...the fic and ME... *sigh* I have to stop complaining and just write it.
htbthomas
Sep. 23rd, 2007 08:35 pm (UTC)
It's not that the fic feels inadequate, I just can't decide the proper direction to take for the next scene, and it's not one I can skip or move to a different spot, either. So I am stalled. :(
sydgill
Sep. 23rd, 2007 10:10 pm (UTC)
Ahh...yeah I feel ya. I'm stuck at the first scene...it just seems like this fic is destined to just be a fluff piece and nothing more...it really is pointless and that's what keeps holding me back.

Let me know if I can help you in any way... :D
chickadilly
Sep. 23rd, 2007 06:38 pm (UTC)
It's on my Netflix queue! It will be a while because I have all the Angel episodes to go through first but it's there. :)

I'm sort of mixed on the idea of Lois not knowing though. I dunno - that bugs me.
htbthomas
Sep. 23rd, 2007 08:23 pm (UTC)
I felt that way, too, when I realized that Lois didn't know and they were obviously intimate. Especially considering that by time of this storyline in the comics, they were engaged, and Lois knew all.

But I'm guessing that many viewers were used to the Lois who didn't know from Superman: The Animated Series, and they were trying to bridge that gap.

It does work itself out by the end, though, so I still think you'll like it. I did.
the_pending
Sep. 23rd, 2007 08:08 pm (UTC)
Haven't seen it... Probably won't. I never really had a soft spot for Super-man, and that non-soft spot turned decidedly hard when they merged my favorite cartoon show (the fantastic Batman animated series) with Superman and the awesome show I'd been watching turned mediocre. I've always blamed Superman for ruining it.

One thing I remember from that time though was finding out that there are a lot of weird rules about a broadcast cartoon show that are probably a big part of that direct-to-video release: two of the big rules are that characters can't explicitly say they're going to kill someone (that's why the bad guys are always "I will DESTROY you!") and no blood allowed.
I don't know if the same rules apply to cable, but if they show Superman Doomsday on Cartoon Network there'll probably be a lot of edited out scenes.
htbthomas
Sep. 23rd, 2007 08:29 pm (UTC)
I'm not sure what you mean by merged... do you mean when they ended B:TAS and started Justice League? Or when they started adding other heroes to The Batman at the end of last season?

Or when they made B:TAS and S:TAS an hour-long block?

I agree that B:TAS was and is the best of the bunch. This was several notches above the S:TAS run, though. Definitely. Probably because of my Clois-fix. :)

Oh, yeah, they definitely crossed several lines with this one. It'll be HEAVILY cut if it runs on CN.
louisemcgregor
Oct. 25th, 2007 05:46 am (UTC)
Yeah, they change a little bit for the animation. There isn't so much Clois interaction in the comic novel.

And the Justice League (most the INternacional version) also helps him to beat Doomsday without any success of course. And there's also a Lex Jr Supergirl interaction. m:P

htbthomas
Oct. 25th, 2007 10:11 am (UTC)
I figured the Clois stuff was different, since in the comics they had been engaged and so forth.

I really do need to read that arc very soon. It's on my to do list, really!
seacrystal
Dec. 26th, 2007 09:22 am (UTC)
I didn't enjoy this movie as much as I thought I'd be, it's only fairly OK with me. The whole Superman/Lois thing really bugged me though, I just can't believe Clark would involve in a sexual relationship with Lois without telling his secret first.
htbthomas
Dec. 26th, 2007 12:46 pm (UTC)
I did enjoy it, but yes, the whole Superman/Lois thing didn't sit very well with me. It did seem that she suspected pretty strongly even from the first, but she was waiting for Clark to come clean first. Still... he should have done it long before - and I'm not sure there's any canon to back up any other scenario.

How do you feel about The New Frontier DVD coming out soon? I read the trade on jen_in_japan's rec and it was amazing. I hope they do it justice. The art looks good, a nice blend of the DCAU style and Darwin Cooke.
seacrystal
Dec. 26th, 2007 03:53 pm (UTC)
I'm definitely very excited for it, especially since Hal is basically the star of The New Frontier. :p

I love the other superheroes just as much and I think the producers would accord all the characters their own moments, but for me being a Hal Jordan fan, it's like a dream come true to have Hal being the one of the main focus in a full-length movie. And having David Boreanaz to voice him is just icing on the cake. :D

Also, I can't wait for Jeremy Sisto's portrayal of Batman. Kevin Conroy has been the definitive Batman me since forever, I like Rino Romano just fine and it would be great if I can have another Batman to enjoy.
htbthomas
Dec. 26th, 2007 04:11 pm (UTC)
I'm still too focused on Superman in DC comics to have gotten much into the rest of the JLA books. Sadly, most of my knowledge of Justice League characters is limited to the crossovers, a few trades, the DCAU cartoon and fanfiction! I do know who Hal is, but I've never read a GL book.

I'm really a Marvel girl with regards to comics. 3/4 or more of the titles I read monthly are Marvel, and I only read the Superbooks (and Countdown for Jimmy exclusively) in DC. I'd ask for recs, but maybe later? I'm so busy writing gift fics this break! :D
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